Legislature(2007 - 2008)BUTROVICH 205
04/18/2007 08:00 AM Senate SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
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SB 14-RAISE COMP. SCHOOL ATTENDANCE AGE
TOM OBERMEYER, aide to Senator Davis, sponsor of SB 14,
explained that the bill raises the compulsory school attendance
age to 18 and provides measures for truancy officers and a
truancy board in each school district. He cited the negative
results of dropping out of school, and the numbers of states
that require compulsory attendance to the age of 18.
He explained the rates of graduation in different ethnic groups,
and said that increasing the compulsory school age will decrease
rates of delinquency, teen pregnancy, and demands on the health
and social services system. He then outlined the different
sections of the bill.
8:09:22 AM
CHAIR STEVENS recognized that all committee members were
present.
MR. OBERMEYER noted that there were people signed up for
testimony, and pointed out several documents before the
committee citing related statistics.
CHAIR STEVENS said that there seems to have been
misunderstanding on the bill regarding early graduation.
MR. OBERMEYER said that they had planned to use language to the
effect that youth could graduate before the age of 18; there is
language in the bill that could address that, but it will be
further modified. He added that the bill drafter was available
for questions.
8:12:29 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS said that it would be interesting to hear how in
different states school districts have more authority on the
issues.
MR. OBERMEYER said that the bill will allow flexibility to each
different school district; there will be a board in each
district, but it will be able to determine its own method of
functioning. He talked about school districts across the nation
with successful truancy programs.
CHAIR STEVENS asked for clarification on Senator Huggins'
question.
8:14:38 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS said that it's a question of a centralized
versus decentralized process. He complimented the idea of the
bill, saying that it's been a long time coming.
CHAIR STEVENS said that there needs to be a clear definition of
dropout; there doesn't seem to be an across-the-board definition
of the associated terms. He pointed out a particular term in the
bill that isn't sufficiently defined.
8:16:32 AM
MR. OBERMEYER said that the definition could certainly be
improved, and pointed out language in the bill that currently
defines the term. He said that often students who drop out are
left on the rolls to increase school funding. This bill is
attempting to return kids to school and engage them in the
process.
CHAIR STEVENS said that the term he was referring to was
unexcused absence.
8:17:49 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS commented that a standards-based approach for
re-integration in school is best.
MR. OBERMEYER said that the issue would have to be addressed by
the Department of Education and Early Development (DEED); there
are testing options available for determining children's
abilities.
8:19:19 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS commented on a particular school that tries to
use standards-based education.
SENATOR DAVIS said that she would like to hear the testimony on
the bill so as to know people's concerns.
8:20:25 AM
CAROL COMEAU, superintendent for the Anchorage School District
(ASD), said that the legislation is part of a critical
discussion in the state, and she would help the bill along any
way she could. Truancy is a big issue in Anchorage; she thought
in the past that it would be relatively simple to get community
support, but it's become a huge controversy. Lots of different
approaches have been tried, and part of the problem is the
current compulsory age restriction. She explained how kids
refuse to go to school and sometimes parents don't know how to,
or don't want to, force them. She said that the school board is
in favor of increasing the age to 18 or once the student has
possession of a diploma.
She added that the notion of truancy officers and a committee
truancy board would need maximum flexibility.
8:24:23 AM
CHAIR STEVENS said that the issue of a review board and its
powers is an important one.
MS. COMEAU said that her school board policy has explicit rules
for a truancy board; some extra powers from the state would
help. The state allows great latitude to home-schooling and
additional rules would help schools deal with the related
issues.
8:25:39 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS asked for examples of programs that address the
issues in the bill.
MS. COMEAU said that school improvement grants are hugely
important to this; there are programs for kids suspended for
drug, alcohol, or non-violent crime issues, and attendance
issues. There are online learning programs, alternative learning
programs, counselors who spend time tracking truants, and there
are state aid programs that target struggling students. Summer
school remediation is also an option.
8:28:18 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS asked for a differentiation between excused and
unexcused absences.
MS. COMEAU read a definition of truancy as defined by the
Anchorage School District, and said that the problem is that
parents want to be able to take their kids out of school if they
choose to do so.
SENATOR HUGGINS asked if parents are the ones to determine
whether an absence is excused.
MS. COMEAU replied yes, and elaborated on the definition of
chronic truancy.
8:30:23 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS said that the ASD has between a 35 and 40
percent dropout rate, and asked for information on dropouts in
different ages and ethnic groups.
8:31:32 AM
CHAIR STEVENS acknowledged that home-schooling can be very
positive, and asked if there are parents using home-schooling as
an excuse for truancy.
MS. COMEAU replied that there is a group of home-schooled
students that is not being properly educated; there's a
legitimate concern that home-schooled kids could be unfairly
penalized by truancy laws, but some home-schooling parents are
allowing their kids to wander around inappropriately which leads
to eventual remediation back in public school.
SENATOR OLSON asked for elaboration on the number of home-
schooled kids who aren't being well educated.
MS. COMEAU said that it's a relatively small percentage of the
home-school population, and it's improved recently. However,
there aren't any firm statistics because reporting isn't
required by the state.
CHAIR STEVENS thanked Ms. Comeau for her work and testimony.
MS. COMEAU said that she is looking forward to working with the
legislature, and is concerned about the issue.
8:34:45 AM
SENATOR HUGGINS clarified an earlier comment.
8:35:15 AM
PJ FORD-SLACK, superintendent for the Delta-Greeley School
District, talked about a conference she attended on drop-outs
and offered to make information available to the committee. She
said that her rural district shares some of Anchorage's truancy
concerns, including parents who don't necessarily make their
kids go to school. Alaska doesn't require home-schooling parents
to document their teaching, which leaves a hole in the system.
She added that Alaska allows a lot of parent choice in the
education system; parents shouldn't be allowed to recuse their
students from school as much as they are. Another issue is the
lack of aid from the legal system once truancy is identified.
8:40:22 AM
CHAIR STEVENS asked Ms. Ford-Slack to keep in touch on the
issue.
SENATOR OLSON asked for more detail on the idea of attaching the
possession of a driver's license to attendance.
MS. FORD-SLACK said that a national group had found that
strategy to be ineffective, and said she would find and forward
the information to the committee.
8:41:54 AM
CHAIR STEVENS said he believes it was the state of Indiana that
implemented that law.
SENATOR HUGGINS said that some people have advocated attaching
the Permanent Fund Dividend payment to school attendance, and
asked for comment on the idea.
MS. FORD-SLACK said that it's a unique idea; whether it would
really help the problem is unknown.
SENATOR HUGGINS clarified that he doesn't support the idea, but
simply wanted to hear another opinion.
8:43:38 AM
PEGGY COWEN, superintendent for the Juneau School District,
related the instance of truancy problems in her work experience
and said that the bill will help focus attention on the issue.
The Juneau Board of Education doesn't have a position on the
truancy element of the bill, but supports raising the compulsory
attendance age; that will help parents who want to keep their
kids in school.
8:46:34 AM
CHAIR STEVENS asked if the bill could cause a negative impact on
the educational system by making unwilling and therefore
disruptive kids stay in the classroom.
MS. COWEN said that it's up to the districts to adjust for this
problem; she cited the ways Juneau has provided for alternative
schools and programs. The kids who this bill will affect are not
throw-away kids; they generally show the possibility of success,
but difficulties in certain areas weight them down.
8:49:10 AM
CHAIR STEVENS said that he thinks fondly of teachers he had who
were very motivating.
SENATOR HUGGINS said that Juneau has a large population of
special needs students, and asked if that has any bearing on the
issue.
MS. COWEN said that the special needs group has a lower dropout
rate than the normal student group, which may be due to a more
intensive level of attention from teachers.
She commented that the state system is now set up as standards-
based, but the methods of teaching shouldn't necessarily be
standardized.
8:52:19 AM
SENATOR WILKEN asked for comment on how a well-run school
district defines a dropout, and how the numbers are tabulated.
MS. COWEN replied that the definition of a dropout has now been
standardized across the state.
8:53:33 AM
LOU KUSTIN, Director of Student Services for the Juneau School
District, said that the bill is a positive step on a long-
standing issue. He commented that truancy efforts must be
system-wide, and need to be monitored. For Juneau, having only
one truancy officer is insufficient. There are some situations
where more effort is needed to bring a kid back into school;
punitive measures aren't necessarily a good thing, though.
He commented that the definition of an unexcused absence has
historically been convoluted. He encouraged a state-wide
definition. He mentioned his history as a principal in the ASD,
and how working with parents who want to be able to excuse their
student was a nightmare.
He added that increasing the compulsory attendance age is a
positive thing, and the issue is a work in progress.
8:59:16 AM
CHAIR STEVENS agreed that defining terms is important, as well
as working on the issue of limiting parental power to excuse
their children from school. He asked Mr. Obermeyer to make any
final comments.
MR. OBERMEYER said that the process has a good start, and he'll
confer with the bill's drafters to make any needed changes.
CHAIR STEVENS said that he was shocked at the number of emails
he received against the bill. He asked if there's a
misunderstanding about the bill.
9:01:09 AM
SENATOR DAVIS said that she received many emails from home-
schooling parents, and there may be a misunderstanding about the
goal of the bill. The regulation is needed in state law to
improve consistency, and there are many reasons to increase the
compulsory attendance age; there are sufficient exceptions in
state law to address home-schooling parents' concerns. She
commented on the compulsory age for commencement of public
school, which is seven years of age. The truancy and dropout
issues start early in education; having a community committee
working on these issues will help change the school system for
the better. Forcing students to attend regular school isn't a
good solution; it needs to be more comprehensive. A diploma is a
necessary element of success in life.
She added that she'll be willing to keep working on the bill and
change it to make it better for everyone; she wants to hear from
as many community voices as possible.
9:06:15 AM
CHAIR STEVENS thanked Senator Davis for bringing the issue
before the committee, and said that while the committee won't
exist between sessions the work will need to continue. He
thanked the presenters and, there being no further business he
adjourned the meeting at 9:07:10 AM.
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